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		<title>By: Remittance Girl</title>
		<link>http://remittancegirl.com/discussions/show-me-dont-tell-me-unless-its-sex/comment-page-1/#comment-19441</link>
		<dc:creator>Remittance Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 14:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello Ann,

I think you&#039;re probably right as far as young adult fiction goes. Under-age sexuality must be the largest elephant in the room in our culture at present. But as far as adult literary fiction is concerned, honestly, pick up a Houllebecq novel. There is a LOT of sex in it. It&#039;s just horrible sex. So I don&#039;t think publishers have a problem with descriptions of sex, as long as that description is not likely to be arousing to most readers. And, to be fair, I&#039;m not sure it is the publishers who are the problem here. I think it might very well be the writers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Ann,</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re probably right as far as young adult fiction goes. Under-age sexuality must be the largest elephant in the room in our culture at present. But as far as adult literary fiction is concerned, honestly, pick up a Houllebecq novel. There is a LOT of sex in it. It&#8217;s just horrible sex. So I don&#8217;t think publishers have a problem with descriptions of sex, as long as that description is not likely to be arousing to most readers. And, to be fair, I&#8217;m not sure it is the publishers who are the problem here. I think it might very well be the writers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 06:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think so. Publishers have started to be frightened of sex in books, we are living through an era of renewed puritanism with people more repressed than in the 60ies or 70ies. E.g. for YA writers it is these days impossible to write pleasurable, positive sex between teens. The sole, absolutely sole book I found containing a little of that was Melvyn Burgess&#039; Doing it - and look how he was aggressed over that!

If you look what was publishable via &quot;serious venues&quot; in the 70ies and what makes it past the gatekeepers these days it&#039;s obvious what is happening. A large part of it is self-censorship. Another part is censorship, plain and simple, even if it disguises as peer pressure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think so. Publishers have started to be frightened of sex in books, we are living through an era of renewed puritanism with people more repressed than in the 60ies or 70ies. E.g. for YA writers it is these days impossible to write pleasurable, positive sex between teens. The sole, absolutely sole book I found containing a little of that was Melvyn Burgess&#8217; Doing it &#8211; and look how he was aggressed over that!</p>
<p>If you look what was publishable via &#8220;serious venues&#8221; in the 70ies and what makes it past the gatekeepers these days it&#8217;s obvious what is happening. A large part of it is self-censorship. Another part is censorship, plain and simple, even if it disguises as peer pressure.</p>
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		<title>By: Remittance Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Remittance Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s probably true for genre fiction. Not so much for literary fiction. The issue for publishers is explicitness, not the tone of the explicitness so much. I&#039;m pretty sure that Jonathan Franzen is perfectly able to write whatever kind of sex scene he likes. He chooses to write depressing and ugly ones.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s probably true for genre fiction. Not so much for literary fiction. The issue for publishers is explicitness, not the tone of the explicitness so much. I&#8217;m pretty sure that Jonathan Franzen is perfectly able to write whatever kind of sex scene he likes. He chooses to write depressing and ugly ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Caramella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caramella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 13:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Late to the party - I&#039;ve had an indulgently long summer break.

I wonder how much of authors&#039; reluctance to write real/interesting/dimensioned sex scenes can be attributed to their higher powers? I&#039;ve read a few articles recently about YA authors being forced to &quot;straighten&quot; gay and lesbian characters, or of characters of colour getting whitewashed etc. Not directly relevant to the topic at hand, of course, but I&#039;m sure editors and publishers have a lot of influence in how a sex scene is handled.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late to the party &#8211; I&#8217;ve had an indulgently long summer break.</p>
<p>I wonder how much of authors&#8217; reluctance to write real/interesting/dimensioned sex scenes can be attributed to their higher powers? I&#8217;ve read a few articles recently about YA authors being forced to &#8220;straighten&#8221; gay and lesbian characters, or of characters of colour getting whitewashed etc. Not directly relevant to the topic at hand, of course, but I&#8217;m sure editors and publishers have a lot of influence in how a sex scene is handled.</p>
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		<title>By: Remittance Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Remittance Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 01:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello LMC,
You&#039;re suggesting that I think everyone should put erotic scenes of sex in their novels. That is not my point at all. If a story doesn&#039;t revolve around interpersonal relationships, attractions, love, etc. then I agree, sex doesn&#039;t belong in the book. The issue is that love and sexual attraction are main motivating factors for a lot of characters in a lot of novels. But either the sex is left out, glanced over, or it&#039;s written as a banal and empty.

It is both unnatural and coy to have your main character motivated by an obsessive love about someone and then either skip the sex altogether, or paint it as hollow and alienating. In writing, we are told it is a virtue to write believable, realistic characters acting in real and believable ways. But if real people kept having the horrible kind of sex they have in literary novels, I think the human race would probably grind to a halt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello LMC,<br />
You&#8217;re suggesting that I think everyone should put erotic scenes of sex in their novels. That is not my point at all. If a story doesn&#8217;t revolve around interpersonal relationships, attractions, love, etc. then I agree, sex doesn&#8217;t belong in the book. The issue is that love and sexual attraction are main motivating factors for a lot of characters in a lot of novels. But either the sex is left out, glanced over, or it&#8217;s written as a banal and empty.</p>
<p>It is both unnatural and coy to have your main character motivated by an obsessive love about someone and then either skip the sex altogether, or paint it as hollow and alienating. In writing, we are told it is a virtue to write believable, realistic characters acting in real and believable ways. But if real people kept having the horrible kind of sex they have in literary novels, I think the human race would probably grind to a halt.</p>
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		<title>By: LMC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I enjoyed your take on history as erotic (especially the walls); it&#039;s not something that had previously occurred to me. I often find writings on growing things and physics erotic (which I&#039;m pretty sure perplexes lots of people).

I take your point that sex is an important part of the human experience, but I also suggest that it is not so for everybody all of the time, and not all artists are called to address all aspects of the human experience. I don&#039;t disagree with you that some so-called literary writers shy away from writing about sex for the reasons you explain so well, I&#039;m just hesitant about the implicit generalisation: namely that if you choose not to explore sex in your art-form, it&#039;s because of laziness or cowardice, rather than a choice.

After all, food and digestion are a pretty vital part of the human experience too, and many artists leave that out of their work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed your take on history as erotic (especially the walls); it&#8217;s not something that had previously occurred to me. I often find writings on growing things and physics erotic (which I&#8217;m pretty sure perplexes lots of people).</p>
<p>I take your point that sex is an important part of the human experience, but I also suggest that it is not so for everybody all of the time, and not all artists are called to address all aspects of the human experience. I don&#8217;t disagree with you that some so-called literary writers shy away from writing about sex for the reasons you explain so well, I&#8217;m just hesitant about the implicit generalisation: namely that if you choose not to explore sex in your art-form, it&#8217;s because of laziness or cowardice, rather than a choice.</p>
<p>After all, food and digestion are a pretty vital part of the human experience too, and many artists leave that out of their work.</p>
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		<title>By: Vida Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vida Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This may not add much to the conversation, but I&#039;d just like to say, as a reader, that I love reading about sex. I love reading something that produces a reaction in me, I love being awakened to a situation emotionally, being moved, being able to tap into emotion in the visceral way good sex scenes allow you to. 

I think sex scenes can hold a magnifying glass up to human emotions and motivations. 

Plus they&#039;re hot, they&#039;re a little treat, they can sweep you away. 

I think if we started allowing ourselves to enjoy the idea of sex publicly - like we enjoy food - then things would be better. I mean, we do do that, just most of the world pretends there&#039;s something wrong with it, instead of something beautiful and powerful and excellent about it. And so we make the sex industry tawdry and exploitive instead of positive. 

I think good sex writing might go a long way to return sex to its rightful place as something to be celebrated and respected and loved.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may not add much to the conversation, but I&#8217;d just like to say, as a reader, that I love reading about sex. I love reading something that produces a reaction in me, I love being awakened to a situation emotionally, being moved, being able to tap into emotion in the visceral way good sex scenes allow you to. </p>
<p>I think sex scenes can hold a magnifying glass up to human emotions and motivations. </p>
<p>Plus they&#8217;re hot, they&#8217;re a little treat, they can sweep you away. </p>
<p>I think if we started allowing ourselves to enjoy the idea of sex publicly &#8211; like we enjoy food &#8211; then things would be better. I mean, we do do that, just most of the world pretends there&#8217;s something wrong with it, instead of something beautiful and powerful and excellent about it. And so we make the sex industry tawdry and exploitive instead of positive. </p>
<p>I think good sex writing might go a long way to return sex to its rightful place as something to be celebrated and respected and loved.</p>
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		<title>By: Remittance Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Remittance Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 02:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello LMC,

It could be very well as you say, that sex is not where their interest lies. But if you step back and say &#039;the human experience is not where my interest lies&#039;, then I&#039;ll bet there goes your Booker Prize. Sex is a significant part of the human experience.

Oh, I think you are totally spot on about writing that is erotic without directly addressing sex. There are some brilliant examples of it. And I appreciate them, applaud them. Celebrate them. 

I also think it&#039;s intensely personal. For me, history is erotic, and well researched historical novels are immensely arousing to me. But then, I get aroused walking by old walls. I am not sure why, but I equate &#039;falling into history&#039; with falling in love.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello LMC,</p>
<p>It could be very well as you say, that sex is not where their interest lies. But if you step back and say &#8216;the human experience is not where my interest lies&#8217;, then I&#8217;ll bet there goes your Booker Prize. Sex is a significant part of the human experience.</p>
<p>Oh, I think you are totally spot on about writing that is erotic without directly addressing sex. There are some brilliant examples of it. And I appreciate them, applaud them. Celebrate them. </p>
<p>I also think it&#8217;s intensely personal. For me, history is erotic, and well researched historical novels are immensely arousing to me. But then, I get aroused walking by old walls. I am not sure why, but I equate &#8216;falling into history&#8217; with falling in love.</p>
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		<title>By: LMC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 01:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Could it not at least in part be that, for some of those writers, sex (whether erotic or empty) is not where their interest lies?  On the other hand, I find some writing profoundly erotic which on the surface has little to do with (human) sex (and no, I&#039;m not talking bestiality). I&#039;m thinking in particular of some passages in Barbara Kingsolver&#039;s &quot;Prodigal Summer&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could it not at least in part be that, for some of those writers, sex (whether erotic or empty) is not where their interest lies?  On the other hand, I find some writing profoundly erotic which on the surface has little to do with (human) sex (and no, I&#8217;m not talking bestiality). I&#8217;m thinking in particular of some passages in Barbara Kingsolver&#8217;s &#8220;Prodigal Summer&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Scaffido</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Scaffido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 19:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The thing I love when you write about writing is that you&#039;re giving such good writing advice that&#039;s easily transported to other places/practices/genres. 

Authenticity is key- just like in any other scene whether it is a heart-wrenching breakup or a violent murder. Sex and erotic writing can be and has been so much more than its portrayal in porn. Thanks for another great read.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing I love when you write about writing is that you&#8217;re giving such good writing advice that&#8217;s easily transported to other places/practices/genres. </p>
<p>Authenticity is key- just like in any other scene whether it is a heart-wrenching breakup or a violent murder. Sex and erotic writing can be and has been so much more than its portrayal in porn. Thanks for another great read.</p>
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